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A reminder or two:
Hey! So this is mainly for the newbies, so the older users who know all of this already can ignore.


 * 1. When something is on CBA, don't comment to say it looks good or that you like it. Only comment on a CBA if something needs to be fixed.
 * 2. ^^That should apply for all forms of an image- only comment if something needs to be changed. It saves space and (for me, mostly, it seems) edit conflicts.

Thanks! 05:27, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Some of the Blanks
I was browsing through some of the blanks on the Charart page, and I noticed that some are somewhat incorrect in the anatomy area. Like the queen, I don't know if it is the angle or not, but the lower area of her body is out of proportion to the rest, along with some other anatomy issues. The rogue also shows some as well, the paws don't seem to line up very well, and the tail doesn't seem right either. There are some other blanks I could mention, but I'd like to keep this short for the time being.

I don't mean to sound rude, so sorry in advance to the blank artists. 08:45 Wed Jul 3

That's fine. I actually never liked the rogue blanks, anyway, but for the queen blanks... It's supposed to be that angle. Both pictures were based off real life images. Because people never commented on those stuff, I thought they were fine. 04:48, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Queen seems fine to me- it's one of my favorite blanks and it only looks off due to the angle. 04:50, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

However, I think the queen needs to be tweaked for a larger belly- she doesn't look any more pregnant than the warriors, if not even slimmer. The rogue has a bit of an anatomy issue, the paws are a bit too rounded and the face looks off in comparison to the build of the body, so maybe those should be redone or heavily revamped. Apologies for allowing this to simply sit here. Anyone else have something to say? I think we should try to fix these. 04:05, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, redo the rogues. I dislike it, anyway. 04:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

WHile we're on this subject, a conversation was sparked in chat- our shortfurred blanks should have a little floof, like the shorthaired StarClanners, and our current longhaired blanks can't pass for medium-furs, at that. With that, would anyone be opposed to three kinds of fur length? Long, medium, and short? We'd need to tweak all of the blanks, and it would be a big revamp, but probably worth it in the long run. Thoughts? 04:35, July 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with Leggy. It would be an extreme makeover, but I believe we could pull it off. It would also be easier for people who have really floofy or longhaired cats, so they wouldn't have to tweak lineart to make it appear more fluffy or ragged or asdf. (e. Toadstar)  14:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Like I said in chat about this, I agree with this idea. Making fluff on the short furred blanks like it is on the StarClan longhairs would work out, especially on the Dark Forest ones, because if their angry, they should have fluff on their backs and tails, they are Spinx's xD The medium length blanks are a little short to be considered medium, they would pass as short-hairs though, maybe. Making longhairs would work well with the fact that most blanks are tweaked to make them more fluffy, because about half of the longhairs on here are actually long-hairs like the long haired StarClanner. I mean, there is a difference between a Maine Coon or Birman like cat and a Russian blue or something. Personally, I think it's a good idea to make three lengths and tweak up the longhairs and make them a little more fluffier if they are going to be medium lengths. 15:45, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with what's said above. We should redo all that are anatomically incorrect so we don't have this problem in the future. 18:25, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

^^^^^^^^^^^^ @Stoem -- 19:07, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, now that I think about it... What's wrong about tweaking the lineart to make fluffier fur? (no flames plz) It might take a little bit, but I don't think we need to redo an entire blank just for fluffy fur... /shot -- 21:05, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

As I said in chat, I definitely think three blanks would be wonderful. There's a noticeable difference between short and medium fur, as well as between long and medium fur. While medium could /pass/ as either, it's called medium for a reason. It's in the middle and not truly either one. And considering how common they are, I think it's definitely needed. While it's not as major a difference as short to long, it's still very distinct. I know I wouldn't want to portray my mid-length fur cats as extra fluffy or very short furred once we fix the blanks, nor would I want to make my fluffy cats mid-lengthed, or be forced to tweak the lineart. While something like this wouldn't be practical somewhere like WWiki's pca due to the wiki being focused on a world that the users of the wiki did not create, here we have a major advantage. The creators of each of the charcters are here, and we can be more accurate with the images because of that. And I think we should definitely take advantage of that.

And yes, the longhaired blanks most definitely need to be made fluffier, and a little floof here and there on the shorthaired blanks would be good. The majority of the lineart tweaks made are to make the blanks fluffier. Really, that kind of thing should be very rarely needed. Only on cats who have like the amount of fur Grayface has, or something similar. All longhair cats have plumy tails, all longhair cats are fluffy, we shouldn't need to tweak for that. But we do currently because the blanks aren't portraying longhaired cats how they should.

Also, small note, depending on what age the kit blanks are meant to portray, they may not need any tweak. In fact, if they're portraying really really young kittens, we should only need one blanks for fur length. Kittens don't usually show whether they're long, mid, or short furred till they're a little bit older. Not sure the exact age. But otherwise, their fur is just kinda fairly short, soft, and fluffy.

Just in case anybody's doubting the amount of difference between short, mid, and long fur lengths, here's some examples.

Short:   

Mid:  

Long:  

I have no objections to the ideas stated above me; so will this go to a vote? Also will everyone get a chance to tweak a blank? 21:12 Fri Jul 26

Now that I have been thinking about it, and it sounds like a nifty idea, but I really don't want to change the blanks. Lineart tweaking ISN'T a sin. And I think it's a really dumb idea to just FORGET all the chararts we've spent countless hours of our freetime making, when some of them are REALLY hard to copy. A charart is like a thumbprint or a snowflake - no two are exactly the same.

Now, I am entitled to my opinion, so if some moron decides to flame me, go ahead. I'll just laugh at you. -- 21:57, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Rejoin
May I rejoin? Also, are there any new rules and blanks I should know of? 18:26, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yes you may, no new rules, really, and for blanks, you can find them yourself on the main page, as always. 16:21, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Joining?
Am I allowed to rejoin, and, if so, could I? :33 ~Fallen 20:18, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Rejoin?
Hi. -- 21:44, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, you can rejoin c: 21:44, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Join?
Can I please join? .Magpieflight (talk) 22:43, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. 22:48, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join this prject??? 03:30, 16, 07, 2013 03:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

YES 8D. 03:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Join?
May I join? 22:40, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Certainly, remember to look at le guidelines c: 22:51, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Join?
Can I join? 21:52, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sure~  18:57, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Deputy
Now that I am the leader of PCA, time has come to choose a new deputy. After much thought and consideration, I've decided to choose Spoots as the new deputy. Congrads! 16:43, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, Spoot! You deserve it, babe. 16:44, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats Spootz ;D 16:46, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, Taters! You really deserve this, wifeband<3 16:47, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Tatz, I give you all of my support! Congratulations! 20:22, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

holy mother of god i never saw this coming. Well, thank you all very much, guys, I feel very honored to be in this position! I'll do my hardest to be the best darned PCA deputy this wiki's ever seen, and I hope that I don't let any of you guys down! Again, thanks! 8D 22:36, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

-late- CONGRATS. 18:58, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Join Request
Hello! Could I join? I'm new around here so I could use a little help. Thank you. c: Thistleflight (talk) 13:42, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in~ 21:13, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

CBA and "Comment Prodding"
I am expecting to get shot down for bringing this up, but after going through not even half of the current chararts on the approval page and taking notes, I feel it is necessary to bring this problem to the attention of the fellow PCA members.

Lately, I have been noticing more individuals having to "prod" others for comments- whether it be in main chat or on the approval page itself. Now normally, patience would be a decent virtue to have in this situation, but the fact that other chararts are being approved/CBA'd that were made after the specified charart pretty much overrides that. While newer chararts are becoming a focus- and I am not saying that is a bad thing, necessarily- the older ones are having to collect dust without much attention. One of the chararts had to go almost two weeks without a comment, another having 10 days, and so on and so forth. Hell, Destiny's charart had to go nine days until it got a CBA! Not to mention, the chararts I am discussing are the ones from people who are actually on top of it! And while this is all happening, more chararts are being approved/CBA'd! I understand that leads only CBA art when they think it is ready, and I also know that individuals have a life. But honestly: If leads have time to sit in chat, and I do not mean to be offensive when I say this, and even comment on newer chararts, then they surely have time to focus on the chararts that have been waiting so long (and there still are quite a few that are) and at least comment/CBA them.

Can we please fix this..? -- 20:21, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't agree with you more on this, Starry. I've noticed it a lot as well. PCA leads, it's your job to make sure that things are on point. There are 5 of you. I don't mean to sound stern, but you need to be on point. 20:38, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually planning to bring this up sometime soon, but you beat me to it, Starry. The older chararts need some more attention. At least three of the chararts that were posted within the last two weeks have been CBAd, and maybe one or two that've been up a month have been CBAd. Imagine this, that a family has an elderly person, two adults, and two children. Sure, the children need their share of attention, but so does the elderly person, don't they? I mean, without attention they'll probably 'be declined' because they've been 'up too long', whereas the children are being 'CBAd' as soon as they get put up so nobody has to deal with them later. And the same thing is happening on the approval page. Like you said, the older ones have been up for two, three, maybe four weeks without a single MENTION of the letters 'C,' 'B' or 'A', but the ones that were just put up are basically reciting the alphabet backwards as fast as possible. In fact, right now I'm gonna go CBA a few older ones right now. So to end this here, I think that I, Leggo, Beebs, Crys and Stoem should just try and CBA the older ones a little more often instead of posting a Stamp of Approval on chararts straight away, sort of like you said. 21:12, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with this as well. You guys can always nominate some new SWs for help as well. 21:16, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

-late- I have to agree on you with this. Every charart needs the same amount of attention as each other. You guys just took the words right out of my mouth. 06:36, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I sincerely hope all of you are also aware that the older chararts have been having larger time gaps in uploads and most of the newer ones that get approved right away are done in charart standards. Most of the oldest ones are difficult chararts, too- shading's having trouble or whatever the problem is. Personally, I believe comment prodding is understandable, and I have seen no issue with it. Funny you should bring it up, Starry, for you have prodded me several times with your chararts. Now, before you try to get defensive, just stop. I've seen what I've seen, and our current system is running fine. I comment prod all of the time, whether or not my charart has gone long periods without being touched. Comment prodding is aggressive and will get your chararts often approved quicker because it brings attention to it. You've all seen how many chararts we have up for approval right now, and I don't see each and every upload on them. I don't have time to sit and pick at every single one. If you comment-prod, I will see yours, and it makes my job much easier.


 * Now, to further analyze your argument: even if you have time to sit in chat, you have power as a normal user. You have power to comment, after one week of inactivity, that you see nothing wrong. No one will jump all over your ass because you said that after a week of no comments. I had assumed many people were aware of this, but, whatever. More often then not I don't see people's artwork- my browser will occasionally hold some cats back from my view at times.


 * But what I don't understand here is the amount of PCA leads commenting on this, saying things like 'Oh yeah I see this a lot and I agree' or 'I agree with you on this' with no further input. The only lead who hasn't commented is me, and I'm not the only person at fault here. If you're going to comment, put forth a bit more effort- give me an explanation of why you agree and how you haven't done your job. If you see that it's only you and one other user who hasn't commented in regards to the whole leadership of PCA, then point that out. I'm not seeing many compelling arguments towards this matter and I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in some of you.


 * We do not need more SW's if we only have ten active users. We have enough, and if our current ones aren't doing their job to their full extent, as leader, I will talk to them about it and ask them to step it up or to step down so we can elect someone in their place. More is seldom the answer to anything- more's only needed if we're completely lacking.


 * I cannot bring myself to CBA something just because it's been sitting there. Often, someone will wait so long to reupload something that I don't even notice they have reuploaded at all. It's the user's fault as much as the lead's. And I, for one, will never CBA something if I know the user is simply being lazy or isn't meeting my expectations. I seldom CBA a thing nowadays because I've seen work everyone's done, and I have high standards for them based on their capabilities in the past.


 * (Also, can you guys stop adding the indent unless you're replying directly to something above? It screws up the page. I'm adding the indent b/c my rant is long and is directly related to everything above mine.) 01:32, July 27, 2013 (UTC)